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Five years ago, the horsemeat crisis rocked the food industry. But what was it like to be in the eye of the storm, what lessons have been learned and how has it changed the industry? And why, despite not being affected, did M&S make beef traceability a priority post-crisis? We talk to two people with the answers. (Running time 21 minutes).

Guests: Paul Willgoss, M&S’ Director of Food Technology and Geoff Ogle, Chief Executive of Food Standards Scotland, who back in 2013 was the Food Standards Agency's Chief Investigator.